How They TRICK You into Supporting Evil | Jay Shapiro
If you kill someone, they call you a murderer. If you kill a few people, they call you a mass-murderer. If you kill millions, they call you a great statesman. But how are we constantly tricked into supporting mass-murder AND applaud the sick monsters that lead us to do it? Well, turns out, there are some tricks.Jay Shapiro, filmmaker, writer, and host of The Dilemma Podcast, discusses his book Insufficient Rewards and its critique of consequentialist morality. The conversation explores cognitive dissonance, moral integrity, political systems, propaganda, objective reality, justice, peace, and how people rationalize participation in violence and injustice.
Links:
What Jay Thinks: https://whatjaythinks.com
Insufficient Rewards: https://www.simonandschuster.net/books/Insufficient-Rewards/Jay-Shapiro/9781803419985
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introducing Jay Shapiro and the book
00:01:02 Why Jay wrote Insufficient Rewards
00:04:32 History, morality, and consequentialism
00:08:06 The flexibility of consequentialist thinking
00:09:15 The actor’s moral dilemma
00:12:06 Moral integrity and unjust systems
00:16:30 Ukraine, sanctions, and moral certainty
00:18:12 Cognitive dissonance and insufficient rewards
00:27:07 Moral integrity, self-deception, and complicity
00:32:11 First-order and second-order desires
00:43:06 Objective reality and moral truth
00:49:09 Justice, peace, and international violence
00:57:34 Where to find Jay’s work Receive SMS online on sms24.me
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