mDLs, Privacy, and User Tracking: What You Need to Know [Live Event]
Mobile driver’s licenses (mDLs) and mobile identity documents (mDocs) are rapidly moving from pilot projects to mainstream adoption. With more than five million mDLs already in circulation and half of U.S. states announcing plans to issue them, the identity community is asking an important question: what do these standards really mean for privacy, interoperability, and real-world implementation?To explore these issues, we hosted a live podcast featuring two leading experts. Andrew Hughes, VP of Global Standards at FaceTec, has spent more than a decade shaping international ISO standards for digital identity, credentials, and biometrics. Ryan Williams, Program Manager of Digital Credentialing at the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA), leads the subcommittee responsible for translating ISO standards into North American implementation guidelines.
Moderated by Richard Esplin, Head of Product at Dock Labs, the conversation offered a rare opportunity to connect the dots between how the ISO standards are written, how they are being interpreted in practice, and what identity practitioners need to know as mDLs roll out worldwide.
0:00 – Welcome & Introductions
2:20 – What is AAMVA?
4:10 – Quick Primer on ISO 18013
5:10 – Privacy Concerns & “No Phone Home”
7:28 – Device Retrieval vs. Server Retrieval
10:20 – Why Server Retrieval Was Added
15:35 – AAMVA’s Role in Real-World Implementation
17:14 – Why Server Retrieval Is Controversial
23:20 – Certification and Conformance Challenges
26:32 – User Consent and UI Limitations
29:22 – AAMVA Guidance on Consent & Data Sharing
32:38 – Should Server Retrieval Be Controversial?
35:26 – ISO’s Plan to Remove Server Retrieval (2026)
43:08 – Issuer Keys and the Digital Trust Service (DTS)
49:09 – Derived Credentials vs. mDLs
51:18 – What’s Coming in ISO 18013 Edition 2
57:57 – How AAMVA Aligns with ISO Updates
59:22 – State of Browser & Standards Implementation
1:02:24 – Can Wallets Prevent Server Retrieval?
1:04:33 – Accessing DTS via API or SFTP
1:06:24 – Closing Thoughts & Key Advice
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