Ukraine support: how and why is Germany different? | Berlin Briefing Podcast
Ukraine and Germany try to shift from crisis mode to strategic partnership'We need to get away from our mindset that we are living in peace' former NATO Deputy Director for Defense and Security co-operation, Gerlinde Niehus tells Berlin Briefing co-hosts Michaela Küfner and Nina Haase on this episode. Europe may be in a “shadow war”, yet Germany and Ukraine want to declare a new normal. Four years into Russia's war of aggression Friedrich Merz and Volodimir Zelenskyy just revived the format of a “strategic partnership”. It sees defense as a future market as much the current bare necessity. DW’s Kyiv Correspondent Nick Connolly gives that idea a reality check, reporting on the disillusionment of Ukrainians who just saw another night of deadly attacks on their capital. Even in the face of growing competition for arms deliveries over the Iran war, Zelenskyy and Merz declare the defense glass half full. Listen to our experts dissect why that is only partly true. And why the real problem isn't just Trump but Europe’s denial that it’s not just Ukraine who is under attack.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:24 Ukraine as partner
02:34 Zelenskyy’s Message
05:43 Middle East factor
09:01 A new wartime normal
09:48 Kyiv under fire
13:20 NATO without the US?
17:52 Europe’s wake‑up call
21:42 Germany’s Russia debate
25:37 Hybrid war reality
27:18 Ukraine’s view of Europe
30:27 Zelenskyy demands guarantees
32:24 The missed moment
35:32 replacing the US?
36:56 End
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