They Lied to You! Defense & Security Works Best Without NATO.
Larry Johnson, Steve Jermy, Sakari Linden, and Levan Nikoleishvili explain why NATO is a bad idea for those who find themselves in between the great powers. They explore Finland’s NATO experience, Georgia’s constitutional commitments, armed neutrality and national resilience. A recorded contribution from Ristian Atriandi Supriyanto brings lessons from Indonesia and Southeast Asia. Recorded at the Tbilisi Forum on Neutrality on November 5, 2026, the discussion connects strategic independence with practical policy choices.Panel Links:
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Time Stamps
00:00 Introductions: Alliances and Georgia’s strategic choices
05:44 Steve Jermy: Energy security in a multipolar world
12:51 Larry Johnson: Financial independence and BRICS
20:07 Sakari Linden: Finland’s NATO experience
27:37 Georgia’s NATO aspirations and Article 78
35:04 Can neutrality protect a small state?
48:33 Armed neutrality, national resilience and economic security
57:44 Ristian Atriandi Supriyanto: Lessons from Indonesia Receive SMS online on sms24.me
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